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	<title>Comments on: Tea Party Co-Founder: Concept Has Been Hijacked By False Left/Right Paradigm</title>
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		<title>By: Washing your mouth out with soap: What is Political Consciousness? And Occupy Everything. &#171; Left Turn At the Crossroads of Critical Thinking:</title>
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		<dc:creator>Washing your mouth out with soap: What is Political Consciousness? And Occupy Everything. &#171; Left Turn At the Crossroads of Critical Thinking:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] outlets see the Tea Party and Occupy Wallstreet as two sides of the same coin.  Ignoring that even Tea Party co-founder see their movement as co-opted and ignores the amount of Kochs brothers money involved in its continued existence.     George [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] outlets see the Tea Party and Occupy Wallstreet as two sides of the same coin.  Ignoring that even Tea Party co-founder see their movement as co-opted and ignores the amount of Kochs brothers money involved in its continued existence.     George [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Strini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Strini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 02:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respect   to  author , some  wonderful  entropy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respect   to  author , some  wonderful  entropy.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap, thanks for the link Dave.  This guy Shane should run for President!  What a loveable and patriotic  asshole!  I love this guy!

http://www.TeaPartyGuardian.ning.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, thanks for the link Dave.  This guy Shane should run for President!  What a loveable and patriotic  asshole!  I love this guy!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.TeaPartyGuardian.ning.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.TeaPartyGuardian.ning.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://militantlibertarian.org/2009/11/30/tea-party-co-founder-concept-has-been-hijacked-by-false-leftright-paradigm/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just keeps on getting better but it doesn&#039;t like this has any traction anyways.
http://www.teapartyguardian.ning.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just keeps on getting better but it doesn&#8217;t like this has any traction anyways.<br />
<a href="http://www.teapartyguardian.ning.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.teapartyguardian.ning.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Militant Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://militantlibertarian.org/2009/11/30/tea-party-co-founder-concept-has-been-hijacked-by-false-leftright-paradigm/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Militant Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly as I would have put it, but basically correct.  The so-called &quot;conservatives&quot; in the GOP who seem to have the idea that it&#039;s all about God can&#039;t stop for one second to realize that they are not promoting God or the ideals of Christianity when they also push for war, punishing the &quot;wicked&quot; (as they see them, which includes a lot of people who&#039;ve done no harm to others), and otherwise being generally, well, unChristian.  

In fact, most of those who scream &quot;Constitution&quot; in my experience have no clue what the words on that document really mean.  They are clueless as to what liberty really is.  Most so-called Constitutionalists and Conservatives are nothing more than &quot;freedom my way&quot; controllers.

This is why I always say that the real price of freedom is tolerance.  If you can&#039;t tolerate your neighbor who stands on his front lawn in January wearing a toga and chanting to Mumblegy Ooodla for an hour, then why should he tolerate you putting a giant, lit up manger scene on yours in December?

If one is outlawed, so should the other be, then both will see that neither should have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly as I would have put it, but basically correct.  The so-called &#8220;conservatives&#8221; in the GOP who seem to have the idea that it&#8217;s all about God can&#8217;t stop for one second to realize that they are not promoting God or the ideals of Christianity when they also push for war, punishing the &#8220;wicked&#8221; (as they see them, which includes a lot of people who&#8217;ve done no harm to others), and otherwise being generally, well, unChristian.  </p>
<p>In fact, most of those who scream &#8220;Constitution&#8221; in my experience have no clue what the words on that document really mean.  They are clueless as to what liberty really is.  Most so-called Constitutionalists and Conservatives are nothing more than &#8220;freedom my way&#8221; controllers.</p>
<p>This is why I always say that the real price of freedom is tolerance.  If you can&#8217;t tolerate your neighbor who stands on his front lawn in January wearing a toga and chanting to Mumblegy Ooodla for an hour, then why should he tolerate you putting a giant, lit up manger scene on yours in December?</p>
<p>If one is outlawed, so should the other be, then both will see that neither should have been.</p>
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		<title>By: THOMAS DYCHES</title>
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		<dc:creator>THOMAS DYCHES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the overall conclusion. Did you see that last anti-health care protest at the capitol? What a stinker! A bunch of terrible speeches and partisan, &quot;Conservative&quot; platitudes. Just plain awful.

&quot;...they have provided the left leaning media mouthpieces with ammunition to attack and ridicule...&quot;

Well, you won&#039;t avoid that no matter what you do. And the media is always going to try to push every group into the red or blue tribe. That&#039;s not really the problem. The real problem is the contradictions that lie within the so-called &quot;Conservative&quot; movement. Example: standing against Obamacare but supporting Johnsoncare. Both are socialized medicine but they want it both ways. This type of contradiction robs the Conservatives+Republicans+Family Values+God fearing crowd of the moral ammunition necessary to destroy the Progressive arguments from a moral basis not just a technical, economic one. Until these blind spots are addressed and these sacred cows killed, the &quot;right&quot; will continue to struggle to gain God&#039;s support to help them overcome the spiritual darkness upon the earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the overall conclusion. Did you see that last anti-health care protest at the capitol? What a stinker! A bunch of terrible speeches and partisan, &#8220;Conservative&#8221; platitudes. Just plain awful.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;they have provided the left leaning media mouthpieces with ammunition to attack and ridicule&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, you won&#8217;t avoid that no matter what you do. And the media is always going to try to push every group into the red or blue tribe. That&#8217;s not really the problem. The real problem is the contradictions that lie within the so-called &#8220;Conservative&#8221; movement. Example: standing against Obamacare but supporting Johnsoncare. Both are socialized medicine but they want it both ways. This type of contradiction robs the Conservatives+Republicans+Family Values+God fearing crowd of the moral ammunition necessary to destroy the Progressive arguments from a moral basis not just a technical, economic one. Until these blind spots are addressed and these sacred cows killed, the &#8220;right&#8221; will continue to struggle to gain God&#8217;s support to help them overcome the spiritual darkness upon the earth</p>
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		<title>By: Militant Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://militantlibertarian.org/2009/11/30/tea-party-co-founder-concept-has-been-hijacked-by-false-leftright-paradigm/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Militant Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the idea is to bring together normally disparate ideologies into a common cause.  The problem is when others attempt to usurp that cause to make it theirs.  It&#039;s blatant thievery, really.

As an example, in 2002 I attended a USA PATRIOT Act protest.  The &quot;We the People&quot; tax protest group showed up in numbers, carrying large banners and signs.  They didn&#039;t just insinuate themselves through the crowd, but went behind the podium and held up large banners making it appear they were the instigators of the event.  Who was helped by them doing that?  Many of us at the event decided to stop supporting the local WtP group thanks to that.  The news seized on it and made it appear the protest was a tax thing and had nothing to do with the USAPA.

A few months later, we held another anti-USAPA rally.  This time, I was involved in the process and one of our primary concerns was to keep people away from the backdrop to the event.  Another was outreach.  I brought in groups as diverse as the Libertarian Party, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the Unitarian Church, the Pink Pistols (a gay gun rights group), the ACLU, and more.  We managed to hold a huge rally with people from every walk and every political philosophy sans the neo-cons.  No one took over the event.

The same could be done with Tea Parties if some of these groups would wake up and realize that it&#039;s not all about gun rights, anti-abortion, the GOP, or whatever.  It&#039;s about L I B E R T Y and only that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the idea is to bring together normally disparate ideologies into a common cause.  The problem is when others attempt to usurp that cause to make it theirs.  It&#8217;s blatant thievery, really.</p>
<p>As an example, in 2002 I attended a USA PATRIOT Act protest.  The &#8220;We the People&#8221; tax protest group showed up in numbers, carrying large banners and signs.  They didn&#8217;t just insinuate themselves through the crowd, but went behind the podium and held up large banners making it appear they were the instigators of the event.  Who was helped by them doing that?  Many of us at the event decided to stop supporting the local WtP group thanks to that.  The news seized on it and made it appear the protest was a tax thing and had nothing to do with the USAPA.</p>
<p>A few months later, we held another anti-USAPA rally.  This time, I was involved in the process and one of our primary concerns was to keep people away from the backdrop to the event.  Another was outreach.  I brought in groups as diverse as the Libertarian Party, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, the Unitarian Church, the Pink Pistols (a gay gun rights group), the ACLU, and more.  We managed to hold a huge rally with people from every walk and every political philosophy sans the neo-cons.  No one took over the event.</p>
<p>The same could be done with Tea Parties if some of these groups would wake up and realize that it&#8217;s not all about gun rights, anti-abortion, the GOP, or whatever.  It&#8217;s about L I B E R T Y and only that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Militant Libertarian: I agree with you, but we also have to recognize that one of the reasons the Tea Parties were so attractive was because they were open to so many ideologies. The message that &#039;liberty brings people togeather&#039; was a powerful one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Militant Libertarian: I agree with you, but we also have to recognize that one of the reasons the Tea Parties were so attractive was because they were open to so many ideologies. The message that &#8216;liberty brings people togeather&#8217; was a powerful one.</p>
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		<title>By: Militant Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Militant Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re probably right.  The core reason behind the Tea Parties, however, can be continued.  One of my earliest complaints about the Tea Parties was their general lack of focus.  Every group in the nation showed up to promote their ideals from the Birchers to the anti-abortion fanatics to the Gorebots.  

This kind of lack of focus is detrimental and does nothing to promote the focus-takers or the originators of the protest in question.  

Counter-protesting is a different story, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right.  The core reason behind the Tea Parties, however, can be continued.  One of my earliest complaints about the Tea Parties was their general lack of focus.  Every group in the nation showed up to promote their ideals from the Birchers to the anti-abortion fanatics to the Gorebots.  </p>
<p>This kind of lack of focus is detrimental and does nothing to promote the focus-takers or the originators of the protest in question.  </p>
<p>Counter-protesting is a different story, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Simeon Narins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Simeon Narins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does he think Glenn Beck/Fox News is going to let it go, and let him have it back? Hardly.

Does he think he&#039;s going to be able to get a bigger megaphone than Glenn Beck/Fox News, and so redirect them? Hardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does he think Glenn Beck/Fox News is going to let it go, and let him have it back? Hardly.</p>
<p>Does he think he&#8217;s going to be able to get a bigger megaphone than Glenn Beck/Fox News, and so redirect them? Hardly.</p>
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