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One of the worst arguments against socialism I’ve ever seen

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from GonzoTimes

Got this from a Ron Paul supporter on Facebook.

?Sorry I’m not a socialist, I work for a living and support the Constitution. I don’t need nor want to be taken care of. … Capitalism: I want to recieve money for the labor I produce.

This is probably the worst argument against socialism I’ve *ever* heard. It demonstrates that capitalism’s defenders are not arguing against socialism itself, they’re arguing against a scarecrow stuffed with capitalist lies, with “SOSHALEEZUM” scrawled on it.

Some points:

1. People need to work for a living in a socialist system too, they’re just not having the lion’s share of the value they produce go to a few wealthy at the top of the pyramid. There’s this vicious bit of misinformation spread that all “socialism” means is we have heavy taxes on the wealthy and we use that to pay for everybody else to sit around. It’s bullshit. It’s obviously an unworkable system, which is why the owner class wants everyone to think that’s the socialist system. In the ideal socialist system, you wouldn’t need progressive taxation. Everybody would work more or less equally, and the taxes would go to services that would benefit everyone equally; roads, parks, national health care, and so forth.

2. On supporting the Constitution:
By definition, Socialism is “an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system. As a form of social organization, socialism is based on co-operative social relations and self-management; relatively equal power-relations and the reduction or elimination of hierarchy in the management of economic and political affairs.”
No part of that is unconstitutional. Moreover, under our current Capitalist economic system, the political power wielded by Capital has led to the trampling of our constitutional rights. Most notably the first amendment rights to free speech, assembly, and a free press, but also the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments.

?3. Socialism isn’t just about taking care of people, people gotta work in it too. But they’re working for the benefit of themselves, their families, and their neighbors, and not the owners and the shareholders. The social safety net would be part of this, but it’s not an end in and of itself. However, capitalism seeks to exploit the value Americans place on this myth of Rugged Individuality by making people think that in a socialist society, they would be dependent upon a government, that said government would be the only thing responsible for “taking care” of them. What’s interesting is that while they rebel at this sort of paternalistic government figure, they preach that a owner or “job creator” is graciously providing His workers with jobs, He’s making the hard business decisions for them so they don’t have to, and just asking a bit of profit in return to cover His expenses and make up for His risks that He took in starting the business. It’s just as paternalistic a mindset. In a socialist society, we would take care of ourselves and those around us, and they would take care of themselves and ourselves. A community. One of equals, not a family with a head of the household and various subject children.

?4. “I want to recieve money for the labor I produce”… the main problem with Capitalism is that somebody else is profiting off of the labor you produce, and you instead are given a “wage”. The “wage” comes nowhere close to the value of the labor you produce. If you support Capitalism, it’s because you don’t want to be paid for the labor you produce, not because you do. The whole point of the wage system is separating workers from the value of their labor. That value is then pocketed by the factory or business or corporation owner, and the workers are paid a much smaller “wage” from what is left.

My goal as an anarcho-syndicalist / socialist is for a society in which people work in cooperatives, and profit from the fruits of their labor, not from the exploitation of workers. One where there’s no need for heavy-handed government attempts to level the playing field, because it has been leveled by the workers themselves.