Joe Legal and Jose Illegal

Posted: March 10th, 2012 by Gadget42

from Destroy the Ring

I received this today via E-mail from a stateist family member. I’ve cleaned up the formatting  errors common to a repeatedly forwarded email and included my reply below.

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is economically destructive for America…

You have 2 families…”Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California.

“Joe Legal” works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted….”Jose Illegal” also works in construction, has “NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Joe Legal…$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year

Now take 30% away for state federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal….$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year.

Jose Illegal pays no taxes… Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 pe r year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare

Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays rent

$500.00 per month, $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $25,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch.

Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Joe Legal and the rest of us working Americans are paying for all this!! Don’t vote/support any politician that supports illegal aliens…

Its PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

Take a stand, pass it on!

And here is my relpy

Lets try this again, only this time with no government interference.

We have 2 families, Joe Legal, and Jose Illegal. Both families have 2 children and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, does not need a social security number and makes $25.00 per hour and pays no taxes.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has no social security number and makes $15 per hour and pays no taxes.

Joe Legal…$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year

Jose Illegal….$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year

Joe Legal joins a mutual aid society, which pools the members money to cover the members major medical expenses. Dues are $25 per month

$25 * 12 months = $300 leaving Joe Legal with $51,700 per year

Jose Illegal also joins a mutual aid society at $25 per month.

$25 * 12 months = $300 per year leaving Jose $30,900 per year.

Joe Legal does not receive food stamps or welfare as there is no government to provide them.

Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $ 39,700

Jose Illegal also does not receive food stamps or welfare, again because no government exists to provide them

Jose Illegal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal now has $ 18,900

Joe Legal pays $1,000 per month rent.

$1,000 * 12 months = $12,000 per year, Joe Legal now has $27,700

Jose Illegal pays $1,000 per month rent leaving him with $6,900

Joe Legal sends his children to a reputable privately owned academy for $500 per month per child. This includes lunches and supervision until Joe picks them up at the end of the day.

$1000 * 12 months = $12,000 leaving Joe with $5,700

Jose Illegal home schools his children with his wife acting as their instructor. They hire an English tutor so the children can learn English and get a good job when they grow up.

$100 * 12 months = $1,200 leaving Jose with $5,700

Joe and Jose both hire a Dispute Resolution Organization to cover their homes, cars, and family, for fire, burglary, assault, and vandalism. The DRO guarantees repair/replacement of stolen or damaged property and compensation and medical coverage for injuries sustained in an assault. It will investigate and collect restitution from the responsible party. They also operate a local Fire Department to put out any fires in the area, after all they don’t want the fire to spread and damage other properties they insure. Further they maintain a small number of nuclear missiles to deter attack on their members by a government.

$100 * 12 months = $1,200 leaving both with $4,500 each.

Both give generously to charity to provide a public access school, subsidized housing and other benefits to the poor.

Both are happy and successful, have leisure time and money. While Jose is home schooling and Joe sends his children to a private school both provide a good education to their children. Jose could afford the private school by moving to a smaller apartment or having his wife take a part time job, or taking a second job himself. Both also have the option to send their children to a public access school of their choice. Neither is supporting a violent war in a foreign land, nor a massive bureaucracy that ultimately only pours money down a bottomless hole. Both are free to take any action they want, own any object they want, use any drug they want and generally go about their lives in the manner they see fit. If they aggress against another person they will be treated as criminals, and expected to make a full restitution to the injured party or the DRO used by the injured party to cover the damage.

Joe is a successful contractor, and Jose is his best employee.

As you can see from the above story the problem is not that Jose crossed and imaginary line on a map without permission, It is that a violent group of criminals and thugs use different standards for different people and say it is for their benefit.

The removal of the state and it’s “benefit programs” has left both Joe and Jose above with a happier life. Joe has money and leisure time that he did not have before and Jose no longer has to live in fear of an INS agent knocking on the door and violently forcing him and his family to leave their home. Neither has to worry about violating one of the over 10,000 federal laws or countless state laws on the books. Joe doesn’t need to have every decision he makes in business approved by some bureaucrat who knows nothing about construction. Their children will receive better education brought on by competition.

Let’s see if we can make it so Joe and Jose can live in peace.

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